The responses I received about my last post (Politically Correct Sexism) from a person whose blog ID is snowylocks, questioned my honesty and integrity, so I decided to write this post in response rather than reply to snowylocks’ diatribe direct. snowylocks has accused me of ignoring facts, being dishonest, contradicting myself and being a Nazi sympathizer who condones the treatment meted out to homosexuals and lesbians by the Nazi regime.
I wish to make it quite clear to snowylocks and to anyone else who reads this post that I do not in any way condone the Hitler regime’s treatment of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, the intellectually and physically disabled, petty criminals, homosexuals, lesbians or any other unfortunates who were deemed to be enemies of the state or of no value to the German war machine. How snowylocks interpreted my last post as condoning these crimes against humanity is quite beyond me. snowylocks also stated that I would benefit from a WWII history lesson from a 12-year-old child. To demonstrate just how fanciful and ridiculous that statement is, it is with reluctance, I decided to share some of my personal history in this post.
My family, which consisted of my parents, two older brothers and me, lived in the seaport of Hull, which is located on the east coast of Yorkshire in England. Because Hull was a busy, thriving and important port at the outbreak of WWII, it became a prime target and the Luftwaffe bombed the shit out of the city over and over again. One morning, my family and I left the air raid shelter to walk home only to find a heap of rubble where our house once stood. At that point in time, all we had left in the world was the clothes we were wearing. But we were not alone; hundreds of other families lost everything during those air raids on Hull and other cities important to the Allied war effort.
My father was a merchant seaman and he lost lots of his friends and shipmates to the German U Boats. My Dad never got over his wartime experiences and died a manic-depressive at aged 55. It would have been nice if my brothers and I learned about WWII from the comfort and safety of a classroom as the 12-year-old child cited by snowylocks obviously did but we didn’t, we lived through it. The wartime experiences of my brothers and I instilled in us a strong desire to serve our country. By the late 1950’s my eldest brother was serving with the Royal Navy, my second eldest brother was serving with the Royal Air force and I was serving with the British Army and we were proud of being able to do so.
During my Army posting to West Berlin in the early 1960’s, there were only three Nazi war criminals left serving their sentences in Berlin’s Spandau prison. These were; Rudolf Hess, Hitler’s deputy; Albert Speer, Hitlers architect and Balder von Shirach, the Hitler youth leader. Guarding three men in an otherwise large empty prison was an eerie experience because the prison had a reputation for being haunted. This is not surprising given the atrocities that must have been committed behind its walls during the Nazi regime.
In my last post, I cited the Hitler youth movement simply to demonstrate how easy it is to indoctrinate (brainwash) children using political propaganda. For his crimes against children Balder von Shirach spent 20 years behind bars. It seems that this is where snowylocks got his or her knickers in a knot and interpreted my statement as condoning these sorts of crimes.
My understanding of the proposed sex education for primary schools in Australia is to educate children that heterosexuality is not the norm for human beings and that homosexual and lesbian sex are as normal and natural as heterosexual sex. In other words, according to homosexuals and lesbians, human beings are multi-sexual by nature and design. Put simply, this is an outrageous lie. Homosexual and lesbian sex has never been or ever will be normal and natural and children should not be exposed to such nonsensical ideas.
The proposed curriculum consists of nothing more than politically correct homosexual and lesbian propaganda to indoctrinate (brainwash) children into seeing human sexual behavior through the eyes and minds of a group of sexually dis-functional people. Is this any less of a crime than Balder von Shirach’s?
Snowylocks has already branded me as a dishonest, heterosexist, homophobic fascist so I wonder what he or she will come up with next. Ah well, on with the tin hat and flak jacket.
aquarianmist
aquarianmist 
*deep, deep sigh*
I labeled you as dishonest, yes, but I already proved that accusation more times than I can count. I never labeled you a fascist, or homophobic.
I’d ask you to explain that lie, but why bother ?
As for you family history, I’m from Belgium myself. You really, really don’t want to compare your family’s WW2 history to mine. You really, really don’t. The fact that you would even try to use your own family history here is beyond anything I could ever imagine. I guess you were looking for an “admirable” way to dodge my question yet again.
I’ll repeat it : Why do give the same reason for your disapproval of gay people as the nazis did ?
(again : YOU brought them up. NOT me)
That was my question. I’m really getting tired of having to endlessly repeat all my questions, and to only get more of the same assertions I just formulated a question about.
I mean really, how hard is this ? How did you manage to misinterpret such a simple question ?
You claim gay people are unnatural, so did the nazis. I’m asking you why you share that opinion.
(And I would like to stress once again that I don’t NEED to bring up the nazis to prove you wrong. I already did that)
Stop dancing around this and answer.
Seriously, do I have to beg ?
“Is this any less of a crime than Balder von Shirach’s?”
Uhm, yes. Since they’re teaching the kids that he and his buddies were WRONG !
Again, how could you possibly have a problem with that ?
“snowylocks also stated that I would benefit from a WWII history lesson from a 12-year-old child.”
Yup, and now you’ve given me reason to repeat it.
Any 12 year old can look up where the nazis stood on homosexuality. And any 12 year old can read your posts, and find out that you rationalize your opinions using the very same arguments.
Heck, you just did it again in this post.
So do you finally understand why I’m asking you this simple question ?
I’ll repeat it AGAIN, shall I ? Why do give the same reason for your disapproval of gay people as the nazis did ? (Again : YOU brought them up. NOT me)
I know that lying about me and painstakingly misinterpreting what I said is more fun, but please, just answer the question already, kay ?
It will save both of us such a lot of time.
snowylocks
I have finally found time to respond to your latest diatribe against me. If you believe that I am dishonest, that’s fine. I know and my family and friends know that I am honest and direct and not afraid to call a spade a spade. Certainly, I will not be losing any sleep over your misguided and fanciful opinion of me.
You seem to have ignored, misunderstood or misinterpreted the reason why I included some of my personal history in my last post but I am not going to lose any sleep over that either. You stated that you are from Belgium and I don’t want to go there. Quite the opposite, I do want to go there. I, and I am sure other readers of these posts, will be interested in reading a first hand account of your experiences with the German war machine. After all, you were a lot closer to the action than I was; all I had to put up with was the Luftwaffe until the RAF ‘spits’ blew them out of the skies above England. So please feel free to share your wartime experiences with the rest of us.
As for the Nazis, I believe that I used the Hitler Youth Movement as an example of the criminal brainwashing of innocent children. It was you who brought up the question of how the Nazi regime persecuted homosexuals, not me. As for homosexuality being normal, it isn’t and that’s all there is to it.
You claim that it has been proved that homosexuality is normal. Well all I can say to that is, whoever proved that to be the case is deserving of a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize for their services to human biology because it must be the greatest biological breakthrough in human history. Just think of it, countless millions of heterosexuals over hundreds and thousands of years have now been proved wrong. The evolutionary process used by Mother Nature to create a heterosexual species has now been proved wrong. People who believe in the biblical (Adam & Eve)version of creation, have now been proved wrong. And, oh my God, the supreme being himself has now been proved wrong. And, the human female is obviously now obsolete. WOW.
But, let’s get serious, let’s get real and let’s get down and dirty shall we. An erect male penis is inserted into a receptive female vagina and ejaculates. If the female is ovulating, the fasted swimming sperm fertilizes the female egg cell and, HALLELUJAH, the miracle of new life. An erect male penis is inserted into a consenting male’s anus and ejaculates. The sperm either dies immediately or swims into a wall of shit on it’s way down the colon to be excreted from the body. The only life to come out of this was the deadly HIV/AIDS virus. This deadly virus has not only killed hundreds of homosexuals, it has also killed innocent heterosexuals who were infected through no fault of their own. Is this normal????
So far, a cure for the HIV/AIDS virus has not been found and perhaps never will be and, like a flu virus, there is every possibility that it will mutate into something far more deadly and unstoppable and may well decimate the human race the way the bubonic plague did during the middle ages. This plague was caused by the bite of the rat flea which infested rats that lived in sewers full of human excreta. I don’t think is was a coincidence that the first major outbreak of HIV/AIDS was in the homosexual enclave of San Francisco. I see this a warning from Mother Nature to heed the lessons of Sodom and Gomorrah before it’s too late.
aquarianmist
“As for homosexuality being normal, it isn’t and that’s all there is to it.”
Just wanted to spotlight this little beauty.
I mean, I really don’t even have to say anything, do I ?
It wasn’t a “diatribe”, it was a series of facts and a question, which I had to repeat, and which you now have ignored yet again. (For the 4th time ? 5th time ? ..)
And as for your dishonesty, I’m sure you’re perfectly honest when it comes to other subjects, and your family has no reason to complain, but here, on your blog, when talking about this issue, you have lied so many times I’ve lost count. Check my replies for proof and examples (like all your false accusations ), or keep ignoring it.
Not that I’m complaining. Your consistent mendacity makes my point more clearly than I ever could.
You want to know about my family’s WO2 history ? Like I said, it’s not relevant, but sure. Half of them got wiped out, either through “friendly” fire (Americans bombed a school by mistake), or they were tortured to death in the camp in Breendonk. What the heck does any of this have to do with what we were talking about ? Nothing ! Stop trying to change the subject !
AGAIN, I only asked you why you rationalize your opinion about gay people the very same way the nazis did, and I didn’t even need to do that to prove you wrong ! Are you going to answer this question, yes or no ? This is the FOURTH time I’m forced to repeat this. (And this is the THIRD question I’m forced to repeat over and over, without ever getting an answer)
If you really believe you’re so honest, then why keep dodging this question ? I’ll repeat it AGAIN (and I’m getting really tired of typing “AGAIN”) :
Why do you rationalize your opinion of gay people the very same way the nazis did ?
As for the rest of it, your reasoning is tortured to the point of being completely inarticulate. “Heterosexuals proved wrong” ??? How can one facet of human sexuality disprove another ? “The evolutionary process proved wrong”” ?? What are you even talking about ? They support each other ! Want scientific proof ? Here you go :
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
For pete’s sake, do some research before you form an opinion.
As for biblical creation being non-factual, uhm…..yeah, that’s actually true. Are you seriously telling me you didn’t know that ?
As for aids, that came about through retroviral transfer from a primate, and it got spread through unprotected sex. The idea that it somehow got created through gay sex is too preposterous to even think about. It’s also another lie. And please explain how, since the disease got spread through unprotected sex, just exactly how did those “innocent” heteros manage to get infected through “no fault of their own” ? They all got blood transfusions, right ? Never mind. One question at a time.
You know, one of the most irritating things about your replies is that you keep repeating arguments I already debunked several times before. Even now, you’re still going on about “sodom and gomorrah” and “mother nature”, even though I already repeatedly pointed out why that doesn’t make any sense.
So I’m forced to face the obvious fact that, on top of your proud dishonesty, you also have no intention examining and acknowledging the clear and obvious proof of your mistakes.
I can list facts all year long, you’ll just ignore them and repeat you lies, either about me, or about gay people.
So I’m going to give you one more chance. It’s the last one this time :
Here’s the question you were busy ignoring before you ignored the other one :
If an opinion has no facts to support it, does it have any value whatsoever ?
Answer yes or no, please. No more false accusations, just an answer.
Yes or no, nothing more.
If you can’t even do that, then this is over, and you can go on to discuss tarot cards.
It wasn’t a “diatribe”, it was a series of facts and a question, which I had to repeat, and which you now have ignored yet again. (For the 4th time ? 5th time ? ..)
And as for your dishonesty, I’m sure you’re perfectly honest when it comes to other subjects, and your family has no reason to complain, but here, on your blog, when talking about this issue, you have lied so many times I’ve lost count. Check my replies for proof and examples (like all your false accusations ), or keep ignoring it.
Not that I’m complaining. Your consistent mendacity makes my point more clearly than I ever could.
You want to know about my family’s WO2 history ? Like I said, it’s not relevant, but sure. Half of them got wiped out, either through “friendly” fire (Americans bombed a school by mistake), or they were tortured to death in the camp in Breendonk. What the heck does any of this have to do with what we were talking about ? Nothing ! Stop trying to change the subject !
AGAIN, I only asked you why you rationalize your opinion about gay people the very same way the nazis did, and I didn’t even need to do that to prove you wrong ! Are you going to answer this question, yes or no ? This is the FOURTH time I’m forced to repeat this. (And this is the THIRD question I’m forced to repeat over and over, without ever getting an answer)
If you really believe you’re so honest, then why keep dodging this question ? I’ll repeat it AGAIN (and I’m getting really tired of typing “AGAIN”) :
Why do you rationalize your opinion of gay people the very same way the nazis did ?
As for the rest of it, your reasoning is tortured to the point of being completely inarticulate. “Heterosexuals proved wrong” ??? How can one facet of human sexuality disprove another ? “The evolutionary process proved wrong”” ?? What are you even talking about ? They support each other ! Want scientific proof ? Here you go :
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
For pete’s sake, do some research before you form an opinion.
As for biblical creation being non-factual, uhm…..yeah, that’s actually true. Are you seriously telling me you didn’t know that ?
As for aids, that came about through retroviral transfer from a primate, and it got spread through unprotected sex. The idea that it somehow got created through gay sex is too preposterous to even think about. It’s also another lie. And please explain how, since the disease got spread through unprotected sex, just exactly how did those “innocent” heteros manage to get infected through “no fault of their own” ? They all got blood transfusions, right ? Never mind. One question at a time.
You know, one of the most irritating things about your replies is that you keep repeating arguments I already debunked several times before. Even now, you’re still going on about “sodom and gomorrah” and “mother nature”, even though I already repeatedly pointed out why that doesn’t make any sense.
So I’m forced to face the obvious fact that, on top of your proud dishonesty, you also have no intention examining and acknowledging the clear and obvious proof of your mistakes.
I can list facts all year long, you’ll just ignore them and repeat you lies, either about me, or about gay people.
So I’m going to give you one more chance. It’s the last one this time :
Here’s the question you were busy ignoring before you ignored the other one :
If an opinion has no facts to support it, does it have any value whatsoever ?
Answer yes or no, please. No more false accusations, just an answer.
Yes or no, nothing more.
If you can’t even do that, then this is over, and you can go on to discuss tarot cards.
(strange…small comments get through, but longer ones get blocked. I’ll try posting paragraph by paragraph..)
It wasn’t a “diatribe”, it was a series of facts and a question, which I had to repeat, and which you now have ignored yet again. (For the 4th time ? 5th time ? ..)
And as for your dishonesty, I’m sure you’re perfectly honest when it comes to other subjects, and your family has no reason to complain, but here, on your blog, when talking about this issue, you have lied so many times I’ve lost count. Check my replies for proof and examples (like all your false accusations ), or keep ignoring it.
Not that I’m complaining. Your consistent mendacity makes my point more clearly than I ever could.
(ah, okay, I get it now. You’re blocking all the longer replies. Okay, I’ll chop it all up in paragraphs then. Kinda confusing, but if that’s how you want it….paragraph 2: )
You want to know about my family’s WO2 history ? Like I said, it’s not relevant, but sure. Half of them got wiped out, either through “friendly” fire (Americans bombed a school by mistake), or they were tortured to death in the camp in Breendonk. What the heck does any of this have to do with what we were talking about ? Nothing ! Stop trying to change the subject !
(paragraph 3)
AGAIN, I only asked you why you rationalize your opinion about gay people the very same way the nazis did, and I didn’t even need to do that to prove you wrong ! Are you going to answer this question, yes or no ? This is the FOURTH time I’m forced to repeat this. (And this is the THIRD question I’m forced to repeat over and over, without ever getting an answer)
If you really believe you’re so honest, then why keep dodging this question ? I’ll repeat it AGAIN (and I’m getting really tired of typing “AGAIN”) :
Why do you rationalize your opinion of gay people the very same way the nazis did ?
(paragraph 4 🙂
As for the rest of it, your reasoning is tortured to the point of being completely inarticulate. “Heterosexuals proved wrong” ??? How can one facet of human sexuality disprove another ? “The evolutionary process proved wrong”” ?? What are you even talking about ? They support each other ! Want scientific proof ? Here you go :
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
For pete’s sake, do some research before you form an opinion.
As for biblical creation being non-factual, uhm…..yeah, that’s actually true. Are you seriously telling me you didn’t know that ?
(paragraph 4-end )
(I see what happened now. It wasn’t the longer replies that got blocked. It was any reply with a link in it. I’ll just delete the “www” from each link and see if it works now )
As for the rest of it, your reasoning is tortured to the point of being completely inarticulate. “Heterosexuals proved wrong” ??? How can one facet of human sexuality disprove another ? “The evolutionary process proved wrong”” ?? What are you even talking about ? They support each other ! Want scientific proof ? Here you go :
newscientist.com/article/dn6519
livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
For pete’s sake, do some research before you form an opinion.
As for biblical creation being non-factual, uhm…..yeah, that’s actually true. Are you seriously telling me you didn’t know that ?
As for aids, that came about through retroviral transfer from a primate, and it got spread through unprotected sex. The idea that it somehow got created through gay sex is too preposterous to even think about. It’s also another lie. And please explain how, since the disease got spread through unprotected sex, just exactly how did those “innocent” heteros manage to get infected through “no fault of their own” ? They all got blood transfusions, right ? Never mind. One question at a time.
You know, one of the most irritating things about your replies is that you keep repeating arguments I already debunked several times before. Even now, you’re still going on about “sodom and gomorrah” and “mother nature”, even though I already repeatedly pointed out why that doesn’t make any sense.
So I’m forced to face the obvious fact that, on top of your proud dishonesty, you also have no intention examining and acknowledging the clear and obvious proof of your mistakes.
I can list facts all year long, you’ll just ignore them and repeat you lies, either about me, or about gay people.
So I’m going to give you one more chance. It’s the last one this time :
Here’s the question you were busy ignoring before you ignored the other one :
If an opinion has no facts to support it, does it have any value whatsoever ?
Answer yes or no, please. No more false accusations, just an answer.
Yes or no, nothing more.
If you can’t even do that, then this is over, and you can go on to discuss tarot cards.
P.S : Okay, posting this created quite a mess. Feel free to delete all copies of this post in your moderation queue, or delete the paragraphs and let the full version be posted.
You really should let people know that posting a link will lead to the post being sent to the moderation queue. It would save a lot of time.
(Or you could just stop making false accusations and repeating already debunked arguments, and dodging questions. That would make my replies a lot less lengthy )
Ooookay…
Right, so it once more becomes apparent that you don’t read my posts. Okay, that much I’m ready to accept.
And last time you ignored me (well, that’s better than outright deleting, as per usual) in favor of talking about me, instead of to me.
And now you ignore the simplest question (already repeated and ignored several times), in favor of….posting a cat video.
Lol, okay, message received loud and clear. Like I said, this was your last chance. I’ve been more than patient enough.
Next time, when you come asking for comments, I’ll know better than to believe you.
Not that it was a total waste of time. You did bring up a few arguments pro gay marriage that I never considered myself. I’m genuinely grateful for that. But I had hoped for the discussion you promised, not the endless list of false accusations you delivered. Oh well, live and learn.
If you ever do want to talk about this, I might be persuaded to try again. Until then , it’s goodbye. All the best to you and your loved ones.
snowylocks
My, my, my, you do get your knickers in a knot, don’t you. I have already advised you that I do not access my blog every day simply because, in retirement, there are not enough hours in a day for me to address all the projects I have going.
First off all, I suggest you exercise patience which really is a virtue. Secondly, you may like to sit down and think about what you wish to write and then write it instead of sending several rapid fire comments because they take time to unravel and respond to. Perhaps you are right, I should stick to Tarot cards because that is why I created this blog in the first place. But, I became so worried about the homosexualisation of western society, I felt some one had to speak up in protest. This of course the very first blog I have created and I am not at all what could be termed as computer literate as yet; so when you talk about links and moderation queues I have no idea what you are talking about; I simply followed the prompts provided by wordpress but I am sure that I will get the hang of it sooner or later.
Okay, let us get down to business. You continued attacks on my honesty and integrity do not add any weight to your arguments in favor of same sex marriages but rather weaken them. The reason I have not attacked your honesty or integrity is because you have shown very little of either so far in this debate. As for your question of why do I rationalize my opinion of homosexuals the very same way as the Nazis did; the answer is simple, I do no such thing. This was an assumption on your part because I have never aired my personal views about homosexuals one way or the other because this debate is about the legitimacy of same sex marriage. What I did do was use the Hitler Youth Movement as an example of how easy it is to brainwash children. You, by linking me to the Nazis way of thinking, prompted me to post some of my personal history to dispel any doubt in the minds of anyone who reads my posts that I am, in your view, a Nazi sympathizer. You also brought up Belgium not me and anyone reading your comment would, like me, assume you had experienced the brunt of the Nazi war machine, which of course we now know you did not.
I am well aware that the HIV/AIDS virus was transferred from a primate to a human being. How a transfer of body fluids between a man and ape occurred I have no idea but it is a fact that the DNA of primates is almost identical to humans so the HIV/AIDS virus would have no problem adapting to a human host. It is also a fact that homosexuals are the highest risk group for becoming infected with this virus and that the use condoms (protected sex) are no safeguard against it. This nasty virus has killed far more homosexuals than heterosexuals who were accidentally infected through contaminated blood products and/or unknowingly had sex with a bi-sexual male.
I have read what you consider as proof that homosexuality is normal and natural and have the following comments to make. No scientist would submit a serious research paper containing colloquialisms such as ‘gay ‘straight’ etc and by doing so has brought the research into question. As I understand it, the research was undertaken to prove that mother nature deliberately creates homosexuals as some form of fertility control mechanism. Also, the very narrow research base of 200 Italian families who have produced homosexuals would only provide unreliable data on which to base such an assumption. However, I do, as already stated, support any research that will help us to understand homosexuality. As for mother nature, she is not perfect and has always made mistakes and probably always will. Babies are born every day with physical and/or cerebral birth defects which are by no means deliberate. However, the miracles of modern science and medicine can help some, but as yet, not all types of birth defects. For example, some babies are born with fully formed male and female genitals. This type of defect can now be corrected through surgery. Some males are born believing that are females trapped in a males body or are born believing they are males trapped in a female’s body. These can also be corrected using surgery and drugs. So, what about homosexuals, what category of birth defect do they belong to? As far as I am aware, in a homosexual relationship, one partner assumes the feminine roll and the other the masculine role (?) so why doesn’t the feminine partner undergo sex change surgery? This would remove/solve the problem of same sex marriage would it not.
aquarianmist
“Knickers in a knot” ? “Patience” ?
As I have told you many times before, I couldn’t care less how long it takes for you to answer, I simply do not appreciate being accused of things I did not do, while my questions and arguments get ignored, and you simply repeat already debunked arguments.
You’re going to do it again, aren’t you ?
Right, back to work then :
_ Your habit of making false accusations and ignoring my arguments forces me to make long posts where small ones would do. And for some reason your blog no longer accept long comments, which forced me to chop up my post into individual bits. I explained this in my post, you ignored it. (I may have to post this reply the very same way)
_ Of course my “attacks on your honesty and integrity” lend weight to my arguments. Did you lie about the arguments I used in my two first posts ? Yes, you did. I proved that, and will do it again if you deny it.
Did you lie about having suffered abuse from me in those two posts ? Yes, you did. Again, I provided the proof for this, and you happily ignored it.
Did you take an unsubstantiated rumor you borrowed from a pundit and report it as truth ? Yes, you did.
The list goes on.
You may be a perfectly honest person when it comes to other issues, but here your casual and shameless dishonesty mirrors the weakness of your position, which makes it yet another argument in my favor. (Not that I needed another one)
_A quote from you “I have never aired my personal views about homosexuals”
………………..??????????
Have you read your own posts ??? None of them are your views about homosexuals ?? Then what is it ? Who’s views are they, if they’re not yours ? Who’s blog is this, if it’s not yours ???
You know, you can’t just say things like that, and in the same post complain about people “attacking” you honesty and integrity. I mean, come on !
As for the nazi thing, I guess I should have been more clear. I assumed you knew about the law the nazis passed almost immediately after they came to power, concerning homosexuality. It’s common knowledge for people who’ve studied WO2 in school, but apparently it was missing from your curriculum. I’m talking about paragraph 175 of their criminal code, in which homosexual acts are described as “contrary to nature”.
Now, who is it again who keeps describing gay people as unnatural, etc ?
That was you, wasn’t it ? Or are you going to deny your own words now ? If it’s not your view that being gay is “unnatural”, then why do you keep repeating it ?
So you see, you do use, verbatim, the same rationalization as the nazis. This is yet another fact you can’t avoid any more. All I want to know is WHY you keep using it. Can I please, finally, have an answer now ?
_Another quote : “I am, in your view, a Nazi sympathizer”. Another lie. I never said that. That, my friend, is your assumption. Please stop trying to put words in my mouth and read what I actually write. It will save us both SO much time !
_Another quote : “You also brought up Belgium not me and anyone reading your comment would, like me, assume you had experienced the brunt of the Nazi war machine, which of course we now know you did not.”
Half my family lost their lives. We “didn’t experience the brunt of the nazi war machine” ?? I’m going to do you the enormous favor of pretending you never said that.
_I’m not sure what your uneducated musings about DNA are in aid of, but I would like you to explain why you ignore the spread of aids through heterosexual unprotected sex. That’s quite a mystery. I mean, are you really suggesting that aids only infected heterosexuals through contact with bi- or homosexuals or contaminated blood products ?? You can’t possibly be that ignorant and naive. You just can’t.
(And if you put aside that same ignorance and naiveté, you’ll also be able to explain why AIDS decimated the gay population so much worse. The explanation there is also not in favor of your often repeated arguments)
_As for your increasingly desperate attempts to discredit scientific research, really, where do I even begin ?
“Gay” and “straight” aren’t colloquialisms. Even if they were, it could not possibly influence the validity of the research.
And what exactly makes you think you’re qualified to pronounce this data “unreliable” ? This study was peer reviewed. You know what that means, right ? That means it was under intense scrutiny by the ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY before it even got published. But you know better ? Please, stop embarrassing yourself.
As for you trying to categorize homosexuality as a birth defect….excuse me, do you have any scientific qualifications at all ? No ? Well, that’s not an excuse, as it’s quite easy to look up the scientific facts about homosexuality, and “birth defect” isn’t even in the same ballpark. Why stick to your opinions when it’s already established that they have no connection to reality ?? Why ? What’s the use ?
I guess the answer may lie in this last quote :
” As far as I am aware, in a homosexual relationship,…”
That’s the problem, isn’t it. When it comes to homosexual relationships, you’re not aware of anything, except your own preconceptions and uneducated guesses.
You could do the work, read the research, examine the evidence, test your own opinions against reality.
You could do all those things, but apparently, you simply don’t want to.
Well, that’s fine. It’s your right not to give a damn. If you just want to use the words “politically correct” a lot, pretend your being “attacked” for your views (which, apparently, aren’t even yours), if that gives you pleasure, then that’s all fine and dandy.
But if I’m wrong about you, if you DO give a damn, and if you seriously DO want to talk about this, then please, do answer my questions, and try to refrain from putting any more words in my mouth, false accusations, uneducated guesswork, or other strange attempts to avoid my arguments.
If you can do that, your posts will be short, as will be my replies, and we might actually get a conversation going, instead of these tedious forced repeats.
Addendum : Sorry to add yet more to this long post (I see you fixed the problem with your moderation queue. Thanks for that), but I just noticed yet another repeated, already debunked argument of yours.
“What I did do was use the Hitler Youth Movement as an example of how easy it is to brainwash children”
You still haven’t explained the connection between brainwashing and teaching kids simple scientific facts.
It’s, of course, not the only explanation I’m still waiting for, but this, and all the above, will do for now.
…and I guess I’d better clarify what this refers to, in case you’re tempted to deliberately misinterpret this in some strange way yet again.
I was of course referring to that post where you linked nazi brainwashing to present day kids being taught the facts about homosexuality as part of the regular curriculum.
You know, I still can’t believe you did that.
So yeah, let’s have your explanation : How is “brainwashing” the same as teaching facts, especially since the particular brainwashing you brought up, is the complete denial of the facts that are now being taught ?
Please answer the question.
But take your time. All the time you need.
Just don’t ignore the question in your next post, as has been your habit for months.
It’s getting tiresome.
snowylocks
Now that the silly season is over, I have the time to respond to the last comments you made before Xmas last year. You claim to have ‘debunked’ my arguments against same sex marriage and proved over and over again that I am a dishonest pathological liar. As far as I am concerned, all you have proved is how rude and arrogant you are. You have tried (but failed) to distort the opinions I have expressed because you have not come up with any real evidence to support your position that anal penetration is as normal and natural as vaginal sex.
If you took the time to read the comments made by several researchers about the homosexual gene touted by Camperio-Ciani’s Italian research team, you will note that the findings have been brought into question by expert researchers, not by me. The general consensus of opinion is that much more research, covering wider groups of people, needs to be undertaken before an accurate finding can be made. I believe that following such additional research, all that will be found is that some people are born with a genetic error which makes them homosexual or lesbian.
Your assumption that “I view homosexuals the same way the Nazi’s did” is a figment of your imagination. You also quote a Nazi law that determined “homosexual acts are contrary to nature.” While the description of homosexuality in that law were valid, the prosecution of that law was a crime against humanity which I do not in any way condone. Hitler viewed homosexuals as non productive members of society in the paternity sense and therefore of no value to the state. To accuse me of holding that same view without providing any evidence to support your accusation is utter nonsense. Additionally, homosexuals were caught up in the holocaust because Berlin’s CBD (the Kurfurstendamm), was run by wealthy influential Jews, some of home were high profile homosexuals. No more needs to be stated.
Let us not ignore that in most western jurisdictions, homosexual sex acts were criminal offenses until late last century when such acts were decriminalized. As I have already stated, the rationale behind decriminalization was that, what took place between consenting adults in private was not a matter for government.This change also protected high profile homosexuals in politics and the judiciary from prosecution if caught with their pants down. Decriminalization did not in any way infer that such acts were normal or natural.
HIV/AIDS statistics speak for themselves and as far as I am concerned, anal penetration, HIV/AIDS and protected sex are linked directly to homosexual behavior. When my generation became sexually active, all we had to worry about was unwanted pregnancies and STD’s were contracted by having sex with a prostitute. Never heard of HIV/AIDS until it hit the homosexual enclave in San Francisco in the 1970’s.
You also claim that many species of mammals exhibit homosexual behavior. It is my opinion that, what is perceived as homosexual behavior in other mammals is nothing more than sexual frustration. I base this opinion on the fact that only humans and our nearest cousins, the primates, have the ability to masturbate and do so when a female partner is unavailable for copulation.
Herd animals and some groups of primates have a dominant male who takes on all comers for the right to service all the females of the herd or group when they are in season. This is nature’s way of ensuring only the strongest genes are passed on to the next generation. Therefore, young males have no hope of copulating until the are big and strong enough to topple the current dominant male. While young primates can and do masturbate, herd animals not have that ability so sexual frustration is inevitable. So it is quite common to see herd animals in captivity and in the wild, attempting to mount and copulate with one another. Whilst ejaculation may occur from time to time, penetration and copulation do not. This seems to be the sole domain of the human homosexual male.
Now I come to my view of the proposal that Australian primary school children be indoctrinated into the world of homosexuality. I have no doubt that Australian homosexuals have ‘borrowed’ this idea from the homosexual curriculum introduced into British primary schools. Homosexuals are now touring British primary schools weeding out the so called homophobic heterosexist child heretics from British school yards. This is nothing but a witch hunt against innocent children and should not be adopted in Australia.
If the proposed curriculum is introduced, they will not, as you assert, be taught the facts, nor will they be taught the truth. These hapless children will be indoctrinated into the world of homosexuality using the same technique used by the Nazi’s on German children. The rationale is simple, brainwash the child and you control the man. The end result will be that more and more children will grow up with gender identity problems.
What about the dangers from homosexual pedophiles? Over time media reports indicate that the majority of child sex abuse offenses are committed by homosexual pedophiles against young boys. It is well known that homosexual pedophiles seek employment where they have authority over young boys so there is no way of knowing how many are currently employed in the Australian education system. Therefore, it is well within the realms of possibility that some of these homosexual pedophiles may be tasked to teach young boys about homosexuality. This will provide the opportunity for them to groom young boys for sex and by the time they get caught, it will be too late and the damage done to these young boys can never be rectified.
As a final comment, anyone who preaches that anal penetration is as normal and natural as vaginal sex is a delusional,sexually dysfunctional heterophobic homosexist. You see, heterosexuals can also use the versatility of the English language to describe homosexuals in the same derogatory manner as they describe heterosexuals who oppose same sex marriage.
aquarianmist
Uhm…I don’t just “claim” you’re dishonest, I provide examples. In fact, I provided examples in the very post you’re replying to, …..and you ignored all of them.
Explanation ?
Why do I even still bother asking ?
No explanation then, but you provide plenty more lies. I asked you kindly to stop doing that, so I wouldn’t have to waste my time refuting those as well, but yeah…*sigh*
Okay, here we go AGAIN :
_I never called you “pathological”. (Remember when I asked you to stop putting words in my mouth ? Apparently not )
_”Rude”, “arrogant” ? Well, when someone asks me for comments, and then proceeds to first ignore and then delete them, and then simply repeats already debunked arguments for months on end, adding an endless parade of unfounded accusations that I’m just supposed to swallow without protest, yeah, then I might get a little annoyed. You reap what you sow, my friend.
_Please provide an example of me “distorting” your opinion.
_All my evidence has been real. The mountain of facts you’re trying to ignore has become insurmountable. (And btw, why do you keep going on about “anal penetration” ??)
_I happen to have read the articles I linked, so I’ll cut-and-paste the quote you paraphrased :
“But it’s worth noting that the data on the sexuality of family members may be unreliable, so more studies are likely to be needed to confirm these findings,”
That’s the way science works. All results need confirming. But what you are forgetting is that this is the only side of the argument that is actually getting any results at all. There is absolutely no scientific data at all that supports your assertion that this is somehow a “genetic defect”.
None. Nothing. Zero.
And yet you still “believe”. Why ? There are no facts to support this ! None !
_Is it a “figment of my imagination” that you called homosexuality unnatural several times, even after you were proven wrong ? Nope, and I can prove that by pointing to your earliest posts on the subject. Heck, you agree with that statement AGAIN (calling it “valid”), in the very paragraph where you accuse me of “assuming” you shared that opinion !! Incredible !
You don’t condone an opinion you’ve been defending as undeniably true for months, because to make it into a law would be, and I’m quoting you directly here, “a crime against humanity” ?
If that is really what you think, THEN WHY HOLD THAT OPINION IN THE FIRST PLACE ?!
I mean, read your own words, man ! Here they are, so you don’t try to weasel out of this by accusing me of “distorting” your opinion :
“While the description of homosexuality in that law were valid, the prosecution of that law was a crime against humanity which I do not in any way condone”
The description is valid, but the prosecution of the law was a crime against humanity !
IF IT’S A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, THEN HOW CAN THE DESCRIPTION BE VALID ???
You just debunked yourself. Congratulations.
_You’re referring to the Wolfenden report, I take it ? Why ? It included no significant scientific research, so why not ignore it ?
_And now you’re confusing a “claim” with a “fact”. There is a very significant difference. Homosexual behaviour has been observed in 1,500 animal species. This is an undisputed fact. Your opinion, however, is once again based on something you could have invalidated yourself, if only you’d done a little research.
Once again, I’ll do it for you : http://www.nothingbutinteresting.com/2010/10/top-10-masturbating-animals-humans.html
Seriously, I’m begging you, CHECK YOUR FACTS.
_”Indoctrinated”, “weeding out”, “homophobic heretics”, “with hunt against innocent children”, “brainwash”, “nazis”, etc….As always, you keep piling up the pejoratives, hoping nobody will notice you don’t have a shred of proof for ANY of these assertions, making them nothing but childish insults.
You disagree ? Fine, then give me ONE, just ONE direct quote from the curriculum that contains even one single lie. Just one.
Well ?
_And now you want to drag in pedophiles ? Okay, I’ll gladly educate you on that score as well. Skip right to the conclusion if the facts are too overwhelming for you :
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
_As for your last strange paragraph, can you really not accept the simple fact that I have never, not once, called you homophobic ? You seem almost painfully disappointed.
Please, for once, just deal with the facts.
Uhm…I don’t just “claim” you’re dishonest, I provide examples. In fact, I provided examples in the very post you’re replying to, …..and you ignored all of them.
Explanation ?
Why do I even still bother asking ? No explanation then, but you provide plenty more lies. I asked you kindly to stop doing that, so I wouldn’t have to waste my time refuting those as well, but yeah…*sigh*
Okay, here we go AGAIN :
_I never called you “pathological”. (Remember when I asked you to stop putting words in my mouth ? Apparently not )
_”Rude”, “arrogant” ? Well, when someone asks me for comments, and then proceeds to first ignore and then delete them, and then simply repeats already debunked arguments for months on end, adding an endless parade of unfounded accusations that I’m just supposed to swallow without protest, yeah, then I might get a little annoyed. You reap what you sow, my friend.
_Please provide an example of me “distorting” your opinion.
_All my evidence has been real. The mountain of facts you’re trying to ignore has become insurmountable. (And btw, why do you keep going on about “anal penetration” ??)
_I happen to have read the articles I linked, so I’ll cut-and-paste the quote you paraphrased : “But it’s worth noting that the data on the sexuality of family members may be unreliable, so more studies are likely to be needed to confirm these findings,”
That’s the way science works. All results need confirming. But what you are forgetting is that this is the only side of the argument that is actually getting any results at all. There is absolutely no scientific data at all that supports your assertion that this is somehow a “genetic defect”.
None. Nothing. Zero.
And yet you still “believe”. Why ? There are no facts to support this ! None !
_Is it a “figment of my imagination” that you called homosexuality unnatural several times,even after you were proven wrong ? Nope, and I can prove that by pointing to your earliest posts on the subject. Heck, you agree with that statement AGAIN (calling it “valid”), in the very paragraph where you accuse me of “assuming” you shared that opinion !! Incredible !
You don’t condone an opinion you’ve been defending as undeniably true for months, because to make it into a law would be, and I’m quoting you directly here, “a crime against humanity” ? If that is really what you think, THEN WHY HOLD THAT OPINION IN THE FIRST PLACE ?!
I mean, read your own words, man ! Here they are, so you don’t try to weasel out of this by accusing me of “distorting” your opinion : “While the description of homosexuality in that law were valid, the prosecution of that law was a crime against humanity which I do not in any way condone”
The description is valid, but the prosecution of the law was a crime against humanity !
IF IT’S A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, THEN HOW CAN THE DESCRIPTION BE VALID ??? You just debunked yourself. Congratulations.
_You’re referring to the Wolfenden report, I take it ? Why ? It included no significant scientific research, so why not ignore it ?
_And now you’re confusing a “claim” with a “fact”. There is a very significant difference. Homosexual behavior has been observed in 1,500 animal species. This is an undisputed fact. Your opinion, however, is once again based on something you could have invalidated yourself, if only you’d done a little research.
Once again, I’ll do it for you : http://www.nothingbutinteresting.com/2010/10/top-10-masturbating-animals-humans.html
Seriously, I’m begging you, CHECK YOUR FACTS.
_”Indoctrinated”, “weeding out”, “homophobic heretics”, “with hunt against innocent children”, “brainwash”, “nazis”, etc….As always, you keep piling up the pejoratives, hoping nobody will notice you don’t have a shred of proof for ANY of these assertions, making them nothing but childish insults.
You disagree ? Fine, then give me ONE, just ONE direct quote from the curriculum that contains even one single lie. Just one.
Well ?
_And now you want to drag in pedophiles ? Okay, I’ll gladly educate you on that score as well. Skip right to the conclusion if the facts are too overwhelming for you :
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
_As for your last strange paragraph, can you really not accept the simple fact that I have never, not once, called you homophobic ? You seem almost painfully disappointed.
Please, for once, just deal with the facts.
You seem to have found the “on” switch again for moderating comments. Once again, it is my sad duty to remind you that your prior behavior obligates me to take screencaps of my comments here, so deleting them, or lying about their contents is a waste of time.
You know, I am just as sick of reminding you of this as you are of hearing it. All of this could easily be prevented if you’d just give a reasonable explanation for deleting my first two comments here in the first place. I gave up asking because your only answer was to accuse me of abuse, which was a lie. A lie you refused to even apologize for.
But fine, I’m willing to let that rest, if you’ll at least try to make posting here less of a hassle. Here’s a tutorial that teaches you to use all the functions of your blog : http://www.siteground.com/tutorials/blog/wordpress.htm
Please use this to stop blocking my posts. Like you, I really don’t have the time or inclination to check your blog more than once a month, but when I do, it would be nice to see a comment I made 30 days ago isn’t still “awaiting moderation”.
Forgot my response to this paragraph :
“HIV/AIDS statistics speak for themselves and as far as I am concerned, anal penetration, HIV/AIDS and protected sex are linked directly to homosexual behavior. When my generation became sexually active, all we had to worry about was unwanted pregnancies and STD’s were contracted by having sex with a prostitute. Never heard of HIV/AIDS until it hit the homosexual enclave in San Francisco in the 1970′s.”
No, statistics do not “speak for themselves”. Their interpretation needs to be based on facts, not opinions. And do you have any proof of your assertions ? Nope. And even if you did, do you have any proof of correlation ? Again, nope.
Also once again, I find myself forced to remind you that “anal penetration” is not an exclusively gay affair (same goes for HIV and unprotected sex), and it also doesn’t define a gay relationship. Please try to remember that. (You’re not going to, are you ? )
And I’m sorry to break this to you, but there was never a time when heterosexuals exclusively contracted STDs from prostitutes. I mean, you cannot possibly be that naive. You just can’t.
And do I really have to explain to you that your first media exposure to this disease doesn’t really mean a blessed thing ?
Hey, since you like talking about ancient history, remember when syphilis was called “the Italian disease” by the French, and “The French disease” by the English, “the Polish disease” by the Russians, etc…
That’s humanity for you. We just love blaming “the others”.
(Funnily enough, this has yet to solve a single problem. Go figure ! )
A huge problem with snowy’s question about anyone objecting to homosexuality “for the same reason that the Nazis did” is that he never says which Nazis he is referring to. Because there were many homosexuals and bisexuals who were either Nazis or sympathizers.
from Kevin E. Abrams:
How can we now ignore the hidden history of sexual deviance so prevalent in Nazi and pre-
Nazi Germany? The present picture being offered by gay activists for public consumption-with
the ubiquitous “pink triangle” motif – fails to acknowledge this side of the story. Although some
homosexuals, and many of those who were framed with trumped-up charges of homosexuality,
suffered and died at the hands of the Nazis, for gay apologists to portray themselves as historical victims of Nazi persecution on par with the Jewish people is a gross distortion of history, perhaps equal to denying the Holocaust itself. In light of the preeminent role sexual deviance played in the rise of Nazi power and in Nazi crimes against humanity, how can homosexuals today cast themselves or be cast as prime “victims” of Naziism? Indeed, if history is to be told accurately,
the behavior of homosexuals under Hitler’s barbarous rule provides further evidence that homosexuality is a pathology. How then can human rights groups, politicians, academics, and the media be so totally ignorant of the epidemic proportions of sexual deviance which prevailed amongst the Nazis? Ironically, the record shows that there was far more brutality, rape, torture and murder committed against innocent people by Nazi deviants and homosexuals than there ever was against homosexuals.
I’m of course referring to all of them, including the gay ones. Even these days, many anti-gay activists have been revealed to be gay themselves. That’s a problem, yes, but not for my side of the argument, as it reveals the deep-seated hypocrisy of the anti-gay movement.
The book you quote has already been completely debunked :
http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/06/29/the-pink-swastika-and-the-hidden-holocaust/
But thank you for bringing up Lively and co.
It’s important for aquarianmist to know just exactly who he’s allying himself to.
I’ve already told him this repeatedly, but he doesn’t pay any attention to me.
Perhaps he’ll listen to you.
One can only hope.
Another ridiculous smear by association by snowy was this one: “You claim gay people are unnatural, so did the nazis..”
Doesn’t snowy realize that so did the great majority of the 6 million Jews annihilated by the Nazis? It was just a bunch of Nazis killing a few million Nazi-like Jews then.
People who are desperate to normalize homosexuality have very little ability to think rationally about sexuality and society. Everything must be distorted.
A mediocre and corrupted liberal educational system is one of the main factors for this debacle.
Alessandra
For a while I was beginning to believe that I was a lone voice in the wilderness in my opposition to same sex marriage. It is good to know I am not alone. When I read the article in the press (Gay Marriage Anger Rising) on Jan 15, where hundreds of thousands of people in France protested against the lunacy of same sex marriage, there is still hope for western civilization. Perhaps the politically correct pendulum has reached it’s zenith and is about to begin it’s backward swing against what has become a gay cult.
Aquarianmist
I’ve already told you, you’re not alone, no matter how much you like to pretend you are.
Let me introduce you to some of your comrades, such as the people who wrote the book your new friend has been quoting. These are some of the things they’ve been spending their money on :
http://prospect.org/article/exporting-anti-gay-movement#13592070365491&action=collapse_widget&id=248856
This is what happens when everyone shares this “opinion” of yours, including the politicians : Legalized murder.
But hey, who cares, right ? As long as it’s not “politically correct”.
And thank you as well for bringing up the French protest. It’s seems your “hope for western civilization” lies with the same organized religion you were decrying only a few posts ago. And you might want to google the political party that helped organize that “protest”. Like I said, your comrades, not mine.
And of course you, once again, avoided answering my questions.
I’m only going to repeat one of them this time :
Did you find a quote from the curriculum you’ve been raving against that contains even a single lie ? No, of course you didn’t.
Does that mean you’ll finally acknowledge you were lying ? No, of course it doesn’t.
Well, I guess that settles it.
Your opinions have been tested against reality, and you have been unable to defend any of them.
Well, not with facts anyway.
So you’re basically not disagreeing with me, but at the same time, you call that quote a “ridiculous smear”. That doesn’t make any sense.
Funny how the “liberal educational system” is so “mediocre and corrupted”, but I knew exactly what paragraph 175 entailed, and that after the war, the gay prisoners were the only ones who were made to serve out their sentences.
But just for fun, let’s see what a more conservative and “less politically correct” education system would entail. Luckily, such a system already exists. Let’s have a look, shall we ? :
There you go : Science and history that is factually incorrect, and even an attack on “modern” mathematics ! Oh, and hey kids, you know about the Loch Ness monster ? It’s real, so evolution is a lie !
Too absurd to be true ? Sorry, this is actually being taught and there’s worse to come. This is what happens when you don’t care about facts. Your kids will be total morons, but they sure as heck won’t like them gays. Hope it’s worth it.
actually, the “smear by association” was started by aquarianmist, in an attempt to avoid backing up his claims with facts. Snowy simply pointed out the contradiction in trying to smear people with the “nazi” stain when you agree with the nazi point of view on that particular topic.
so snowy made a fair point, and asked a relevant question that aquarianmist still hasn’t been able to answer.
(see, it helps if you read all the posts before you reply)
alexi
It was not I who started the ‘smear by association.’ All I did was cite the Hitler Youth Movement as a prime example of how easily the minds of children can be brainwashed with propaganda. It was snowylocks who brought the Nazi treatment of homosexuals into the mix and accused me of treating homosexuals the same way the Nazis did, a claim that I have totally rebutted. In addition, I am not in any way avoiding the facts. As far as I am concerned the facts in this debate are simple and irrefutable. Fact number 1 – human beings are heterosexual by nature and design. Fact number 2 – An erect male penis is designed to penetrate a lubricated female vagina and ejaculate therein. Fact 3 – the anus is a waste disposal outlet nothing more, nothing less. Fact number 4 – anal penetration by a male penis is an unnatural sexual practice not a sexual orientation.
Apologies for the delay in responding. As stated my last brief post, I was taken ill and spent two weeks in hospital and am still recovering.
aquarianmist
Actually, you just admitted that you did start the “smear by association”, by comparing hitler youth indoctrination to current education plans regarding homosexuality, so I’m a little confused why you would follow that admission by a denial. And your “facts” are both biologically and factually inaccurate. Sorry.
No need for an apology. Hope you are feeling better now.